I wonder if I can en-list????
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clintswanWar Puts Focus on 'Don't Ask' Policy
By MICHELLE LOCKE
.c The Associated Press
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - At military bases across the country, troops mobilized for America's new war are saying goodbye to spouses and sweethearts with lingering embraces and teary kisses.
Unless they're gay.
Homosexuals reporting for possible combat are bound by the ``don't ask, don't tell'' mandate to keep their sexual orientation to themselves.
``There are moments that bring this policy into sharper focus. This is one of those moments,'' says Dixon Osburn, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, formed to help gays in the military.
Following the Sept. 11 attacks, the Pentagon suspended certain types of administrative discharges, but not the ban on serving as an openly gay member of the armed forces.
Historically, discharges for homosexuality have decreased during times of war, according to the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military based at the University of California at Santa Barbara.
For instance, in the three years before 1966, the Navy discharged more than 1,600 sailors each year for homosexuality, says center director Aaron Belkin, quoting figures researched by Randy Shilts, who wrote ``Conduct Unbecoming,'' and Alan Berube, author of ``Coming Out Under Fire.'' But as military involvement in Vietnam increased, the number dropped to as low as 461 in 1970.
A Pentagon spokesman did not respond to calls and e-mails requesting comment.
``You can bleed, die and fight for your country when there's an external enemy. It seems unfortunate that America tends to feed on itself and harm itself when there's no external threat,'' says Richard Watson, a former Navy submarine officer who was discharged after he told his commanding officer he was gay.
Several countries allow openly homosexual troops to serve, including Canada, Israel, Australia and Britain.
Supporters of ``don't ask, don't tell'' say allowing gays to serve openly would undercut morale and unit cohesion. A heterosexual soldier, for example, might not want to share a foxhole with a homosexual.
Charles Moskos, a Northwestern University sociology professor who studies the armed forces and helped draft ``don't ask, don't tell'' for the Clinton administration, says the policy tried to steer a middle course.
``If you let open gays in then you do have problems of personal privacy violations - `You will have to live with this gay guy' - and if you go back to the old order, which was the true witch-hunting, well that was just repressive and they got stigmatized,'' Moskos says. ``It's a compromise and that's why Congress passed it.''
The policy allows gays to serve provided they keep quiet about their sexual orientation. Supervisors are not supposed to ask about their sex lives.
Steve May, an Arizona lawmaker and Army reservist who drew national attention when the Army tried to force him out for being gay, says any large use of troops is likely to undermine support for the policy.
``I think this is the death knell for `don't ask, don't tell,''' May says. ``It doesn't make any sense. I think most Americans want every American who is able to serve, to serve.''
May, who was called up in 1999, came under investigation for speaking openly about his homosexuality. He fought his discharge, and the Army ultimately allowed him to serve out his tour, which ended in April.
After the Sept. 11 attacks, a number of gays who had been kicked out of the armed forces got in touch with the Servicemembers Legal Defense League to see if there was any chance of re-enlisting, Osburn says. There wasn't.
But Watson, the former submarine officer, understands.
``Would I go back to defend this country and to serve? You bet,'' he says. ``Even with all its pitfalls and all of its social ills, this is still the greatest place in the world.''
By MICHELLE LOCKE
.c The Associated Press
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - At military bases across the country, troops mobilized for America's new war are saying goodbye to spouses and sweethearts with lingering embraces and teary kisses.
Unless they're gay.
Homosexuals reporting for possible combat are bound by the ``don't ask, don't tell'' mandate to keep their sexual orientation to themselves.
``There are moments that bring this policy into sharper focus. This is one of those moments,'' says Dixon Osburn, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, formed to help gays in the military.
Following the Sept. 11 attacks, the Pentagon suspended certain types of administrative discharges, but not the ban on serving as an openly gay member of the armed forces.
Historically, discharges for homosexuality have decreased during times of war, according to the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military based at the University of California at Santa Barbara.
For instance, in the three years before 1966, the Navy discharged more than 1,600 sailors each year for homosexuality, says center director Aaron Belkin, quoting figures researched by Randy Shilts, who wrote ``Conduct Unbecoming,'' and Alan Berube, author of ``Coming Out Under Fire.'' But as military involvement in Vietnam increased, the number dropped to as low as 461 in 1970.
A Pentagon spokesman did not respond to calls and e-mails requesting comment.
``You can bleed, die and fight for your country when there's an external enemy. It seems unfortunate that America tends to feed on itself and harm itself when there's no external threat,'' says Richard Watson, a former Navy submarine officer who was discharged after he told his commanding officer he was gay.
Several countries allow openly homosexual troops to serve, including Canada, Israel, Australia and Britain.
Supporters of ``don't ask, don't tell'' say allowing gays to serve openly would undercut morale and unit cohesion. A heterosexual soldier, for example, might not want to share a foxhole with a homosexual.
Charles Moskos, a Northwestern University sociology professor who studies the armed forces and helped draft ``don't ask, don't tell'' for the Clinton administration, says the policy tried to steer a middle course.
``If you let open gays in then you do have problems of personal privacy violations - `You will have to live with this gay guy' - and if you go back to the old order, which was the true witch-hunting, well that was just repressive and they got stigmatized,'' Moskos says. ``It's a compromise and that's why Congress passed it.''
The policy allows gays to serve provided they keep quiet about their sexual orientation. Supervisors are not supposed to ask about their sex lives.
Steve May, an Arizona lawmaker and Army reservist who drew national attention when the Army tried to force him out for being gay, says any large use of troops is likely to undermine support for the policy.
``I think this is the death knell for `don't ask, don't tell,''' May says. ``It doesn't make any sense. I think most Americans want every American who is able to serve, to serve.''
May, who was called up in 1999, came under investigation for speaking openly about his homosexuality. He fought his discharge, and the Army ultimately allowed him to serve out his tour, which ended in April.
After the Sept. 11 attacks, a number of gays who had been kicked out of the armed forces got in touch with the Servicemembers Legal Defense League to see if there was any chance of re-enlisting, Osburn says. There wasn't.
But Watson, the former submarine officer, understands.
``Would I go back to defend this country and to serve? You bet,'' he says. ``Even with all its pitfalls and all of its social ills, this is still the greatest place in the world.''
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Date: 2001-10-15 06:12 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2001-10-15 08:07 pm (UTC)Bigotry and Patriotism don't mix..
Hmm.. you really got me thinking about this though. I know literally dozens of ex-servicemen and women who are queer and they gave their all in the line of duty. Many putting their lives on the line.. and many of them felt the bigotry and fear of the brass above them as soon as they were no longer needed.
Idiots.
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Date: 2001-10-15 08:27 pm (UTC)With any kind of social revolution, there have to be the brave few working from within and excelling against all odds to prove themselves and others, as well as the support from outside.
There have been so many people that had excemplory service records that were let go over the years yes, but we have never fought a war on ethics, to protect freedom itself globally. We would show a pretty hypocritical face to the world if after all this we persecute our own ranks all over again.
We as a country oare in the spotlight like we never have been. If the world survives this war, there will a great revolution in the way the world works. My only fear is that we won't survive at all.