Tit for Tat...or Beware of Glass Houses...

[clintswan]

For all those people out there stating Gay Marriage is sinful and causing the downfall of family values;

May I please place this here for your reading pleasure.....

Mark 10


Jesus' Teaching about Divorce

9 "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
10 In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again.
11 And He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her;
12 and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."

It seems the bible thumpers are wanting their cake and eating it too.

That won't go over well with the majority of US citizens

And we[gay people] are the ones are causing family value issues???

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Comments

[bassbehr.livejournal.com]

very good point! and good to see you Saturday night!

[razzman.livejournal.com]

Very good point mate - . We are more family than the str8's....yeah!

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

I again disagree with that. Like the str8's we have our share of backstabbing and dram queens, however the gay people who are truly committed to each other tend to stay together more than Str8 relationships. Marriage is taken for granted in the str8 community and for now it is highly reveered in the gay community.

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

Cynical (lol)...and conversly I'd love some imperical evidence to my contrary. Until I see differently I'll hold conceretly to my beliefs or 'naively hopeful' as you call it.

"I've seen it mocked constantly"...well I've seen lots of things mocked, that just means the 'mockees' are ignoant fools and people who take the mocking seriously are just as bad.

Perhaps it is the Canadian v.s US viewpoint on things. It is much more accepted to be gay or to be in gay marriages as proven by our marriage laws in Ontario and British Columbia.

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

Wow - aren't you in a combative mood tonight. Can you not accept that people have opinions different than yourself.

If I were after an English lesson I would in fact contact an English professor.

You obviously have a 'STRONG' opinion on the subject. Please simply respect that i have my opinion as you have yours. Since you or I cannot substantiate our opinions with 'Hard Facts' it would suffice to say they are based on our life experiences or people (gay and str8) we know in our life. If you indeed have the fact you say you to please refer me to this 'evidence'. Keep in mind your opinion or life expereince (as you've ignored mine) does not count.

If you cannot come up with a good 'factual' argument against mine please don't bother responding. My opinion is just that an opnions based on my life experience and friends/family.

Regards
A very irate Canadian.

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

Well goodie for you. At this point I don't care.

Go back to your books and talk with someone who gives a damn what you have to say!

Ciao

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

Oh yes I am very mature, with a little better things to do with my time that search out LJ's to 'debate' with people. I admit you've got my back up with your over-opinionated attitude and the need to be 'right' or 'heard'.

Ciao

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

Meow Meow Hiss hiss as you say. I would not consider you part of my 'family', rather the opposite. You have insulted me in you over-opinionated, unnessary replies.

You seem to have a need to have an opinion or feel it necessary to spout or debate with people. I urge you to divert your attention somewhere else.

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

You've said it oh 'over-opinionated one'. you seem to want the last word...what that represents is something I have no desire to go into.

It appears you are trying to debate yourself by assuming in your statement "So are you one who places boundaries on what a "bear" is and isn't as well?"

People are just who they are, their own sexual preference, their own boundaries. I have mine, which contrary to your statement, it's not about classifying people by body type.

I was going to let you get away with the last word, but I couldn't let you get away with making opinions on my behalf.

Question. There is no audience here - who are you trying to impress with your debating and opinions? This is not class, you are not getting graded .... breath deep, let it go!!

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

Oooh so your digging are you. Couldn't resist that last word eh. Probably you'll have to respond to this too eh. Did I say I didn't use descriptions when defining my sexual prefernces? No, I just stated that I don't group people by body type....I should of added 'soley by body type'

You are correct in that you need descriptions to describe your sexual preferences. However do I have a strong opinion on setting boundaries for what a bear is or isn't? No I don't. I may find some of the men who classify themselves as 'bears' attractive but that doesn't mean lump everyone that fits the 'classic' definition of 'bears' in a group. Do you?

Making assumptions based on some groups I may have in my profile. Not very scientific....tsk tsk.

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[razzman.livejournal.com]

Last word you have. As for your statements I disagree with them totally.

Gays v.s straight hard facts in my close circle of friends.

I have 9 couples in my circle of friengs. 4 gay and 5 straight.

Gays:
3 out of the 4 gays have been in a relationship more than 10 years. 3 of these have gotten married and 1 plan to adopt.

Staight:
4 out of the 5 st8 relationship have gotten married. 4 out of 5 have been together 10 years.
3 out of the 5 are divorced or in the process of divorce. 2 of them are going or went bitterly.

All these marriages have taken place in a span or 3 1/2 years.

The stats are 75% of my gay friends are married while 90% of my str8 friends were. There is a 60% divorce rate amoung my str8 friends while a 0% amoung my gay friends. This small sample of evidence shows me that 'my' gay friends take marriage more seriously and in higher regard than my str8 friends. I consider them all good people but this is the data that I base my opinion on.

Marriage amount my straight friends was taken for granted and seemed like a natural progression. Amoung my gay friends (with the 0% divorce rate) it would appear more thought was put into the decision to marry or not.

While this may not be a nationwide government create poll, it does show some trends.

[vertigo-xpress.livejournal.com]

That's what makes the whole marriage issue a complete joke. Most straight people take it for granted, to the point where in the back of their minds they are thinking "If I get married and it doesn't work, I'll just get a divorce." To me, this makes marriage more of a legal matter than a spiritual one. They want the tax breaks and the legal rights, but as far as the "institution of marriage", they couldn't care less.

And yes...homosexuality gets blamed for tearing down the institution of the family.

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[clintswan.livejournal.com]

"If I get married and it doesn't work, I'll just get a divorce." To me, this makes marriage more of a legal matter than a spiritual one.

Excately my point...

[furrbear.livejournal.com]

Newsweek columnist Anna Quindlen has a nice piece on MSNBC.com that "Gay couples are being held to a standard the denizens of Vegas chapels and divorce courts never had to meet to legally come together." She's dead-on too.

It is so ironic that it seems the loudest defenders of "Traditional Family Values™" are those on their second, third or fourth spouse.

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[clintswan.livejournal.com]

It is so ironic that it seems the loudest defenders of "Traditional Family Values™" are those on their second, third or fourth spouse.

Excately my point...